Comments on: Why I want to get out of America as fast as I can http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/ Citizen Economists is an online economics magazine written by citizen journalists. These ordinary citizens provide reports and commentary on the current events affecting the economics of the fields they work in. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:44:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Shrikant http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-603401 Shrikant Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:40:56 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-603401 Bhagwad, I can understand your frustration as I went through the same hassle(of identity and credit establishment) a few years back. But after a couple of years, I have started appreciating some of the finer nuances of the structure here. After being spoilt by 0.01$ phones and upgrades, I can see that it is fairly difficult for me to bring back the notion of paying 300$+ for a good phone, even though it might be cost effective.40-50$ was also the cost of my mobile bills back in India(without a data plan). The telecom companies are mainly concerned about the 99.99% of their customer base, who already have social security number and credit history. And why not? If they can perfect that, then that's where they get repeat business. And chances are that you would migrate to a service which is more perfect after the initial hiccups. The credit check, in one way, is a way by which the overall overhead costs of defaulting can be checked, and thereby the companies can reduce the cost to every customer. I do agree that it is a bit unfair for people who are new to the country. But then they also offer alternate options- such as with security deposit. I guess you would appreciate that instead of being asked to show your bank balance or salary slip. The other option that might make sense is if the company/school that you joined can have a tie-up with a provider that in a way mitigates the risk for the service providers. I am sure that if you are still in the US, you don't mind Bhagwad,

I can understand your frustration as I went through the same hassle(of identity and credit establishment) a few years back. But after a couple of years, I have started appreciating some of the finer nuances of the structure here.

After being spoilt by 0.01$ phones and upgrades, I can see that it is fairly difficult for me to bring back the notion of paying 300$+ for a good phone, even though it might be cost effective.40-50$ was also the cost of my mobile bills back in India(without a data plan).

The telecom companies are mainly concerned about the 99.99% of their customer base, who already have social security number and credit history. And why not? If they can perfect that, then that’s where they get repeat business. And chances are that you would migrate to a service which is more perfect after the initial hiccups.

The credit check, in one way, is a way by which the overall overhead costs of defaulting can be checked, and thereby the companies can reduce the cost to every customer. I do agree that it is a bit unfair for people who are new to the country. But then they also offer alternate options- such as with security deposit. I guess you would appreciate that instead of being asked to show your bank balance or salary slip. The other option that might make sense is if the company/school that you joined can have a tie-up with a provider that in a way mitigates the risk for the service providers.

I am sure that if you are still in the US, you don’t mind

]]> By: Cz http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-493753 Cz Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:39:49 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-493753 I am an american born here. I traveled the world. Grew up in Saudi Arabia until i was 13. I have been around the world 5 times and i want out of America. I wish other countries were as open as our fascist nation. truth Is America is a police state and the US citizens are the enemy. Any one that is a critical thinker, believes in the US Constitution or the bill of rights is now deemed a terrorist. We do not have any rights it is an illusion. The fake US government does not represent the US population in any way nor does the federal government abide by the rule of law. 1953 the US government started to be infiltrated by the European royal blood, Rothschild, Rockefeller and the Builderburg group. the entire country adopted a false government under the face governemnt we see and believe we are represented by. The US is no longer a sovereign nation it is the north American Union and is directly set for a one world governemnt. The wars in the middle east, the false flag murder of 3000 Americans on 9-11, the all out war on the middle east, the media demonizing of all leaders that do not accept the IMf into their countries over international media as well as the murders of leaders of Egypt, Iraq, Libya. All of this is to push a global drive for a one world government. Event the current global recession is cause to bring all currencies down to 3 world levels so that all nations can be placed under one monetary system that will be relatively equalized across the globe. Kennedy was murdered because he refused to accept the original plan for 9-11 and had already started to warn the american people of the internal threat from the military industrial complex and the true black government that we the people do not see. the fake Us is the largest and most powerful terrorist network on earth. I am an american born here. I traveled the world. Grew up in Saudi Arabia until i was 13. I have been around the world 5 times and i want out of America. I wish other countries were as open as our fascist nation. truth Is America is a police state and the US citizens are the enemy. Any one that is a critical thinker, believes in the US Constitution or the bill of rights is now deemed a terrorist. We do not have any rights it is an illusion. The fake US government does not represent the US population in any way nor does the federal government abide by the rule of law. 1953 the US government started to be infiltrated by the European royal blood, Rothschild, Rockefeller and the Builderburg group. the entire country adopted a false government under the face governemnt we see and believe we are represented by. The US is no longer a sovereign nation it is the north American Union and is directly set for a one world governemnt. The wars in the middle east, the false flag murder of 3000 Americans on 9-11, the all out war on the middle east, the media demonizing of all leaders that do not accept the IMf into their countries over international media as well as the murders of leaders of Egypt, Iraq, Libya. All of this is to push a global drive for a one world government. Event the current global recession is cause to bring all currencies down to 3 world levels so that all nations can be placed under one monetary system that will be relatively equalized across the globe. Kennedy was murdered because he refused to accept the original plan for 9-11 and had already started to warn the american people of the internal threat from the military industrial complex and the true black government that we the people do not see. the fake Us is the largest and most powerful terrorist network on earth.

]]> By: Shiva Stevens Santosh http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-483501 Shiva Stevens Santosh Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:43:00 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-483501 America OCTOBER 9, 2011 AT 11:02 AM Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could. Your people have no right being in our country. Why you may ask? You where not born here, you never served a day in the military “meaning you’ve never fought, bled or died for this country”, you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry. --- the below was unnecessary ! Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain “biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor”, need I go on? Go home, and get out of mine. -- I totally agree with most of what you said ! i think the outsiders should shut up and live the life of the local , else move ... im sure bhagadh in spite of having these problems stayed for at least few months . and im obliged to bring up the "2G scam !!!" topic, remember the big circus clowns,Indian telecom policy makers that he so proudly speaks off. America is a great country, its probably given more to the world in terms of technology and innovation than any other country... they deserve more than rest of the worlds hatred.a BIG HUGG !!! God Bless America ! God Bless India ! God Bless Us All !!! America
OCTOBER 9, 2011 AT 11:02 AM
Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could.
Your people have no right being in our country.
Why you may ask?
You where not born here, you never served a day in the military “meaning you’ve never fought, bled or died for this country”, you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry.
— the below was unnecessary !
Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain “biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor”, need I go on?
Go home, and get out of mine.

– I totally agree with most of what you said ! i think the outsiders should shut up and live the life of the local , else move …
im sure bhagadh in spite of having these problems stayed for at least few months . and im obliged to bring up the “2G scam !!!” topic, remember the big circus clowns,Indian telecom policy makers that he so proudly speaks off.
America is a great country, its probably given more to the world in terms of technology and innovation than any other country… they deserve more than rest of the worlds hatred.a BIG HUGG !!!

God Bless America !
God Bless India !
God Bless Us All !!!

]]> By: America http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-478738 America Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:02:47 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-478738 Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could. Your people have no right being in our country. Why you may ask? You where not born here, you never served a day in the military "meaning you've never fought, bled or died for this country", you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry. Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain "biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor", need I go on? Go home, and get out of mine. Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could.
Your people have no right being in our country.
Why you may ask?
You where not born here, you never served a day in the military “meaning you’ve never fought, bled or died for this country”, you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry.
Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain “biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor”, need I go on?
Go home, and get out of mine.

]]> By: Vinay http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-446775 Vinay Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:58:04 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-446775 So, did you leave US? So, did you leave US?

]]> By: andreaL http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-378732 andreaL Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:46:48 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-378732 i think this whole artical and the comments that follow with it are a bit misleading i find it odd how you can base what thing about one countries lifestyle and call it horrible and for the writer im sorry to inform you that in the eyes of an idian india is better but the eyes of an american america is better so to say that america is way less developed than india is a bit of an overkill statement considerd than many indians live in over populated areas "slums" working for american companies for dollors a day indias over population is one reason why america is way more developed another rerason why india is less developed than america is famine. As famine rages in many parts of India, reports from Gujarat and Rajasthan say that Dalit villagers are the last to get access to water. much of the burden of collecting water is placed on women who often walk for miles a day to fill a pot or two of water. whiches brings me to another point which is education in many parts of india you have to pay to go to school not everyone is able to pay for school espicaly farmers and when they do have enough money they boy in the family goes not the girl so many weomen arnt able to get "free equal" education and to be honest the list goes on and on it takes apritiation to see what you have in front of you so in my view as a proud american i believe america is better but thats just my opinon say what you will im a 2rd generation american my grandmas from domican republic and grandpas black and from france and yes people take things for granted but we all do and to me your naming one of americas minor problems i mean we could be a hell of a lot worse off i think this whole artical and the comments that follow with it are a bit misleading i find it odd how you can base what thing about one countries lifestyle and call it horrible and for the writer im sorry to inform you that in the eyes of an idian india is better but the eyes of an american america is better so to say that america is way less developed than india is a bit of an overkill statement considerd than many indians live in over populated areas “slums” working for american companies for dollors a day indias over population is one reason why america is way more developed another rerason why india is less developed than america is famine. As famine rages in many parts of India, reports from Gujarat and Rajasthan say that Dalit villagers are the last to get access to water. much of the burden of collecting water is placed on women who often walk for miles a day to fill a pot or two of water. whiches brings me to another point which is education in many parts of india you have to pay to go to school not everyone is able to pay for school espicaly farmers and when they do have enough money they boy in the family goes not the girl so many weomen arnt able to get “free equal” education and to be honest the list goes on and on it takes apritiation to see what you have in front of you so in my view as a proud american i believe america is better but thats just my opinon say what you will im a 2rd generation american my grandmas from domican republic and grandpas black and from france and yes people take things for granted but we all do and to me your naming one of americas minor problems i mean we could be a hell of a lot worse off

]]> By: Jim http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-224464 Jim Mon, 28 Feb 2011 05:48:07 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-224464 Its amazing how the usa will hire and bring Indian and other people over to this country and offer them jobs. But despite all that I know how to do I am unable to get hire in the usa much les any place else outside of the usa. The usa gives you lot the world. Yet for us who were born here we are merely slaves with no hope and no future. Locekd out of the world as a result of our citizenship. No other developed country on earth has such barriers to its citizens being able to find work abroad. I have missed countless jobs, not because I am unexperienced. But simply because I am american. they wont hire me for that reason alone. Thus I hate this country. And am seeking desperate measures to get out of this place so that I may be free. Its amazing how the usa will hire and bring Indian and other people over to this country and offer them jobs. But despite all that I know how to do I am unable to get hire in the usa much les any place else outside of the usa. The usa gives you lot the world. Yet for us who were born here we are merely slaves with no hope and no future. Locekd out of the world as a result of our citizenship. No other developed country on earth has such barriers to its citizens being able to find work abroad. I have missed countless jobs, not because I am unexperienced. But simply because I am american. they wont hire me for that reason alone. Thus I hate this country. And am seeking desperate measures to get out of this place so that I may be free.

]]> By: Jayaraman_hyderabad http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-208852 Jayaraman_hyderabad Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:18:43 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-208852 @Rascal Whatever bhagwad said is perfectly right. Human being should enjoy their freedom which is their rights to enjoy. I know some Indians got settle down in US for liitle more money but believe me they live like slave there. Its their habbit to live like slave as before independence. They dont want freedom and they dont want to enjoy their life. I dont find a single reason to leave my country and settle down in US. I can not imagine in my dream too. @Rascal

Whatever bhagwad said is perfectly right. Human being should enjoy their freedom which is their rights to enjoy. I know some Indians got settle down in US for liitle more money but believe me they live like slave there. Its their habbit to live like slave as before independence. They dont want freedom and they dont want to enjoy their life. I dont find a single reason to leave my country and settle down in US. I can not imagine in my dream too.

]]> By: Alonso Brunsting http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-161988 Alonso Brunsting Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:06:12 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-161988 There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery as long as you are wanting it for the right reasons. Plastic surgery is something that should be taken in with deep consideration. There are several questions to ask yourself. Do you really need it? Will it make you feel any better than how you feel now? Are you going to want additional procedures because the surgery was not "perfect?" You and only you are capable of answering these questions. There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery as long as you are wanting it for the right reasons. Plastic surgery is something that should be taken in with deep consideration. There are several questions to ask yourself. Do you really need it? Will it make you feel any better than how you feel now? Are you going to want additional procedures because the surgery was not “perfect?” You and only you are capable of answering these questions.

]]> By: Walter Stanger http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/11/17/why-i-want-to-get-out-of-america-as-fast-as-i-can/comment-page-1/#comment-50948 Walter Stanger Sat, 29 May 2010 23:47:54 +0000 http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/?p=383#comment-50948 The problem is, growth can not exceed any further. The problem is, growth can not exceed any further.

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