Why I want to get out of America as fast as I can

I arrived in the United States a few months ago with my wife. It was my first time to America, and I was looking forward to experiencing new things and enjoying myself. However, I am becoming aware that far from being everything that America is hyped up to be, the United States is terrible place to live.

In many respects, it seems vastly less developed than my own country – India. In this article, I will focus on just one aspect of it. Namely how consumers are happy to let big corporations walk all over them. I realize that coming from another country gives me a unique perspective on what I see is very wrong with the economic structure here.

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Evil Corporations

Let me take the first concrete example of what I mean. In India, a consumer has complete freedom as to which telecom company they want to stay with. Say I have a handset. Based on whose service I like, I can choose to use that handset with any telecom provider I choose. And next month if I want to change over to another one, I can do so immediately. I can just replace the SIM card with that of another company. This is perfectly legal and is very much the norm.

Imagine my surprise when I found out that in America you have to buy a phone attached to a particular firm (Either AT&T or T-Mobile or whatever)! Not only that, you are obligated to pay them every month, or else your credit history is tarnished. It’s amazing. How do customers put up with such shabby treatment? It seems as if the big telecom firms are holding customers to ransom. I say shabby, because compared to India where the consumer dictates terms, in America the big corporations call the shots. You can’t switch schemes without paying a contract breaking fee etc. In other words, the corporations have you locked in.

In addition, people here are forced to pay for incoming calls. Regular Americans seem to be okay with this. In India, if a telecom company started to charge incoming calls they would be laughed out of business. As I said, you can switch over anytime you want. In fact (and this is hilarious), a particular telecom provider (Virgin actually) pays consumers for incoming calls! Yet American consumers are unaware that they’re being fleeced. And in fact, what choice do they have? All telcos are the same. Even if they were willing to switch after paying the “Contract breaking fees”, it would be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Moving on, I will now proceed to demonstrate that Internet companies also take advantage of their consumers and force their whims and fancies down their throats. As of now, what is to prevent say AT&T from imposing a cap of 50 GB download per month on their consumers? In fact, proposals to limit and even monitor traffic are in the pipeline. If Americans are outraged by such activities, who cares right? What choice do they have? Shifting to Comcast is no better! Once more, honest Americans seem unaware of the fact that service providers can do whatever they want by just imposing their policies down people’s throats.

This could never happen in India. And I know why. In India, most of the infrastructure for telephone lines and the Internet (Over 95%) is owned by the government and private companies lease it from the government. The government has it’s own telephone and Internet service (Called BSNL). If at any time the major Indian telcos decide to collaborate and shove a policy down the throats of the consumers (including raising the prices to any level they want), we will just shift en masse to the government service! For the government to change it’s policies is a different issue altogether. If the government suddenly decides to charge incoming calls, they will be voted out of power in a heartbeat. Thus it will never happen.

Before coming to America, I thought that complete privatisation was a good thing. Now after coming here I see that it leads to exploitation of consumers through cartels. Having certain infrastructure in the hands of the government is a saving grace for Indian consumers who love their freedom and hate restrictions. And the first opportunity I get, I am going back. America isn’t the land of the free that I thought it was. Enslavement by corporations, and being held to ransom by having your credit history checked at every point is the norm. And I never want someone to be looking over my shoulder like that.

30 comments to Why I want to get out of America as fast as I can

  • rascal

    The reason people have to sign the long term contracts you are referring to is that the handset is heavily subsidized (e.g. you pay $100 for a $300 phone, and the company makes up the difference over the course of the contract). You also have the choice to get a pay as you go phone where you pay around $0.10 per minute (or more) and are free to change providers without many issues, but you will pay more for the phone up front and possibly pay more per
    minute. Also, the U.S. cell market is pretty saturated, so there isn’t much of an incentive for a company like Virgin trying to gain market share by paying people to receive calls.

    Internet caps are already common in many other countries, but I do agree that traffic shaping and monitoring is very unfriendly to consumers. Thanks for the interesting post.

  • I have never been to India, but I do know that New York City has a sizable Indian population, especially in the Queens area.

    At any rate, while India has made some significant economic strides these past several years, I don’t think I’d want to pack up and relocate. I can think of so many other reasons why I wouldn’t want to move there, but there’s no need to elaborate.

    What I would like to do first is probably take a hard look at the Indian economy and measure its overall efficiency-the allocation of resources, for instance. Meanwhile, I know that there are many structural deficiencies that negatively impact on the U.S. economy-and much of them have to do with politics.

    I know that Bhagwad considers the telcomm industry in India to be exemplary in terms of quality and service-but I am much more interested in analyzing the efficiency and costs of providing this level of service. Does the government-run telecomm operation rely on massive subsidies? A little objective analysis would really help. Unfortunately, whatever information has been provided here so far-doesn’t give us much to work with.

  • Raymond

    You are right. The telecom industry is evolving and though it could be better, the competition is the discovery process that will reveal which is the superior model.

    If the government service in India is really better than the for-profit firms, consumers would prefer the govt and the for-profit firms will be out of business.

    The economic growth you now experience in India is in large part a result of the economic liberalization under Rao.

    Before that, India had what’s called

    License Raj —- elaborate licenses, regulations and accompanying red tape that were required to set up business in India between 1947 and 1990.

    The license Raj was a result of Indias decision to have a planned economy, where all aspects of the economy are controlled by the State and licenses were given to a select few.

    That is all restrictions and no freedom at all.

    Liberalization under Rao was initiated to attract direct foreign investment and private businesses, and resulted in substantial growth in the Indian economy which continues today. This despite the countrys low ranking in ease of doing business.

  • After reading Bhagwad’s post again, I think he should done a little bit more research on the cellular industry in the United States. I use a prepaid plan, for example-and while my phone service is tied to T-mobile, I do have the option of replacing the SIM card from another carrier. There are also relatively inexpensive unlocked phones sold in this country. I’ve seen ads for them.
    There are other options available, as well-including unlimited plans (including incoming and outgoing-plus text messaging, internet, etc).

    I think it’s a little harsh to criticize the United States in this way. I originally came from the Philippines and I had lived there for a number of years-so I could use that country as a point-of-comparison. I’ve also done a little bit of international traveling in other places, as well-and while we indeed have problems in the United States, I think we still stack up favorably compared to these other nations.

    I recall reading that according to some international survey, the Danes in Denmark were considered the happiest people on earth-except all those who have left the country to escape its high tax rates!

  • Bhagwad Jal Park

    @MannyfromNYC

    Thank you for your thoughts. While it’s true that you CAN have “switchable” plans in the US, they are treated as second cousins to post paid plans. As I had mentioned somewhere else, my wife couldn’t get an iPhone from anyone other than AT&T though she was willing to pay the non subsidized cost. The option wasn’t there.

    My key gripe with the US is the level of control. Your credit is checked at every point, and you’re asked to hand over your Social Security Number to every service provider. You’re little more than a number. In addition, all major services are designed to LOCK YOU IN. And if you want to discontinue, there’s a fee. Hence the notion of the loss of freedom.

  • The point of the article is that free markets and complete privatizaton lead to exploitation of the connsumers. The implication is that it is better to have the government in charge of the economy so that people can have more choice.

    That point is based on an entirely false premise. The sad fact is that the telecomunications, while nominally private, is one of the most regulated and manipulated markets in America. It is not free. The results you describe are not the results of free markets. They are the results of severe restrictions all all participants in th markets and government sanctioned and supported cartels.

    While your observations are correct, your conclusion is disastrously wrong. The criticism should not be of free markets and complete privatization, but of the government for protecting entrenched players, restricting acceess and regulating the market to death. The assumption that markets in America are free because politicians say they are free is one of the biggest mistakes that people can make. It is like blaming the umbrella for getting you wet when in fact you should blame the person who took your umbrella.

  • Anupa

    Just to clarify a few points on Bhagwad’s post, the private telcos in India compete with the Govt on the basis of quality of service only. Which is why they survive. They provide better service and there are people who dont mind paying a little extra for the enhanced service. And the Govt’s presence in this industry merely makes sure no cartels are formed… And that the citizens always have a reliable provider to fall back on.

    That aside, the Licence Raj is something we all studied about in our History Textbooks. As an Indian consumer, I was exposed to almost all the multinational brands that any American consumer is exposed to. And the point of this post was to compare the consumer’s power, I think.. Not to illustrate which country is ranked better on ease of doing business.

    Also, to add from my experience, I couldnt get a connection with AT&T in the States as soon as I arrived just because I didnt have a “credit history”. I was asked to pay a deposit of $500 just to have an AT&T post paid connection. And I think that wasnt fair. I wanted to continue using my HTC Touch (which I think is an amazing phone). And for that, I HAD to go with T-mobile. No other provider would give me a post paid connection (with or without a contract) which would enable me to use my own handset.

    And we all know how expensive and inconvenient prepaid plans in this country are. So saying that the option of going prepaid is available doesnt really take away the fact that for a newcomer, this country is highly inconvenient. And that it doesnt really seem like the consumer has a lot of options.

  • Daniel,

    You hit the mark right on its head! I definitely agree with everything you had just said. In addition, one thing that caught my attention was Bhagwad’s comment regarding the availablity of the iphone-which I thought showed disdain for what is a common and legitimate business practice, namely the granting of exclusive contracts for products and services. I think it would be absolutely wrongheaded to restrict that practice-even in the name of “consumer benefit.”

    Anupa,

    The reason that that ATT requested a deposit is to insure that you do not skip out on paying your bill. Unfortunately, a lot of people have done just that-not pay what they owe. Consumers are not entitled to goods and services unless they demonstrate the ability to pay, and since you had no credit history in this country when you first arrived, firms or entities that do business with you have to be assured that you will provide payment for whatever you receive from them-hence, the $500 deposit to ATT.

    At any rate, no company has the obligation to provide service for your headset-no matter how much you want them to. If they were to do so, it is only because they see some benefit for them-which was why T-Mobile gave you that option.

    Is it inconvenient? Perhaps, but these practices are not unreasonable.

  • Anupa

    Manny,

    This is exactly what I call inconvenient to a point of being disrespectful, even! I am being told that I am not trustworthy and I am looked upon as a person who could be incapable of paying phone bills. For no fault of mine except for the fact that I am new to this country. Why do the companies start off with that assumption?

    Also, I was applying for a $40 a month plan. And they have the audacity to ask me for a $500 deposit! I see absolutely no justice nor sense in that. At the most, have me pay for the month in advance (which is what T-mobile proposed). I’m ok with that. It feels just. But asking me to pay almost a year’s bills in upfront is not only unfair, but it also shows the lack of power that consumers have over service providers.

    I do not know the rationale behind the way the service providers function here. All I am pointing out is that in a country as large and populated as India, if Telcos are surviving and making decent profits without having to do a credit check on people, then it doesnt seem like an impossibility, does it?

    About the handset, I agree that no company is under any “obligation” to let me use the phone. I did not argue the legitimacy of the act. I am simply surprised at the closed nature of the services. Lack of options is something I am not used to, being an Indian consumer!

  • P.Chidabaram

    Bhagwad,
    I understand what you are trying to say. As an Indian who has stayed for a few years in the US, I think your are being a little too harsh. Yes, when it comes to cellular phone services, we have it better in India. The only other thing which I feel we in India get better deal than the Americans is desktops. Other than that, I personally feel that the US is way ahead of India in every aspect. Be it reliable power supply…….other than Mumbai, which city in India can boast of an uninterrupted 24 hours power supply? Even the most remote village in the US is connected with proper roads…not the mud path that we call roads here. I know India is changing and changing very fast but I personally feel your article is a bit too harsh.

  • Anupa,

    I understand how you feel, but you are forgetting one thing. The deposit you pay also covers the discounted phone you received from the company. I am really sorry, but a company has no reason to make positive assumptions about their customers in light of the fact that many have violated contracts in the past-and had taken their phones with them. Without a substantial deposit, what’s to stop somebody from signing a contract to get an attactive, expensive phone-break the contract by not making payments-and selling the phone at a tidy profit?

    Besides, there are monthly plans available for people who prefer to forgo the credit check. You pay a little higher rate of course-but you do not incur any obligation to stay with that particular carrier. I know from experience because that’s the plan I used to have when I first got a cellphone back in 2005….

  • I choose to believe your gripe over the US is not because of the cell phone contracts, but with the economics behind the operation of big US corporations. While the US prides itself in being a free market, many of the controls of a free market and powers the consumers should have in a free market are non existent. It almost feels like there’s nothing “free” about being in a market that is for the most part “monopolized” by huge corporations…..

  • jimi

    As an expat American living outside the US for a number of years I can sympathize with Bhagwad, at least on the cell phone issue. Of course there are always pros and cons in every country. Whenever I return to the US and need cellular service I become extremely frustrated and angry in my quest. I mean come on, social security number, credit checks, huge deposits, long-term contracts… give me a break. Now when I need a phone I buy it. I buy a calling card at the local convenience store when I need more minutes. No background check, no social security number. If I don’t like the service provider I buy a new SIM card and all the SIM cards work in my phone.
    All in all I wouldn’t call the American system a “free market”, especially in these days of increasing goverment handouts to protect failing coporations.
    Glad I’m not living in the US.

  • Bhagwad Jal Park

    My suspicion is that if a person has been living in the US long enough, then they don’t mind the restrictions, the background checks and the inconvenience of being locked in.

    But once they step outside and get used to the easy freedom that exists in other countries, then when they come back to the US it hits them when they find it so restrictive again.

  • If I had the time, I would probably study the Indian telecomm industry in-depth in order to get a better understanding of the overall market. I’ve done a little checking via the CIA factbook website for a glance at the Indian economy. Certain information stood out: the fact that 25 percent (2007-est.) of the population lives below poverty level (anything comparable in the United States would be likened to the “Great Depression”) and that the per-capita GDP (2007-est.) was USD 2,600 compared to the U.S. which is close to USD 46,000. Now, the official poverty rate in the U.S. according to the factbook stands at 12 percent although many if not most are eligible for a variety of benefits and services. It’s not hard to imagine that the roughly 250 million Indians living in poverty would prefer to trade places with their counterparts in the United States.

    The United States and India are two vastly different markets and businesses in both countries cater to different types of customers.

    Going now to a brief comparison between the U.S. and Indian telecomm markets, we find that the U.S. has a total of roughly 418 million cellular and landline accounts in service (255 million and 165 million, respectively) which far exceeds the U.S. population of 303 million. The figures in India are roughly 296 million and just under 39 million, respectively. So what are we talking about? Given that the population of India stands at over a billion people, we could say that the combined landline and mobile phone density is just a little over 30 per 100 persons.
    So I would assume that cellphone service in India is not an ordinary commodity the way it is in the U.S. If you can even afford it in India, you must be relatively well-off then. No need for the background check. And Bhagwad, I stand by what I said that you really should check out all the available cellphone options in the U.S. As I said before, I was on a monthly plan-with Cingular (now AT&T) and I did not undergo this background check you so deride. You may be locked in with a particular phone model, but phones are relatively cheap-even those being offered for prepaid and for some monthly service plans that don’t require background checks.

  • Bhagwad Jal Park

    Actually, India along with China are two of the world’s largest players in the mobile Industry. It is simply not true that cellphones are a scarce commodity. They are as ubiquitous as the TV, and the average user changes their handset once a year as they find newer models.

    Far from being a sign of being well to do, even extremely poor people can afford the low end phones. Last year, I picked up an unsubsidized handset for less than the equivalent of $25 with no contract. And of course, most Indian cell phones are prepaid – another sign of Indians refusing to be locked down by monthly bills.

    The main reason why background checks can never be conducted in India, is that there are too many people, and (luckily) the government doesn’t have any reliable records to check against. With over a billion people, it’s too massive an undertaking and no one cares to do it. That along with the fact that people see no need to fork over personal information will ensure that the government will never build up a dosier in India.

    In addition, hardly anyone buys anything on credit in India (though the number is increasing), and hence there is no credit history to check against. That’s why when someone sells something, the transaction usually ends there. There is hardly any debt.

  • Norbert Haag

    Bhagwad,

    you give a good reason why india in some respects might be a more free market than the US. The govn’t can’t possibly check. That is great and, on the other hand shows, that govn’t is not a source of anything to a great deal of indian markets.

    Hence, wherever govn’t can’t act, things work well.

    In the US the market is highly regulated. Regulation always means that some, those that can fulfill the requirements, benefit, because this market segment is closed for new competitors.

    Regulation is what enables cartels and coercive monopolies (the only monopoly that can possibly have bad effects). In a free market anyone can start any company he wants and compete with those that provide bad service. Only when, like in the case of the US Telco market, govn’t regulation keeps competitors out of the game, those already in the market benefit and have no reason to change from high prices for bad service to low prices for better service. This btw. is not called capitalism but mercantilism.

    It is not the free (mind free means unhampered) market but the regulated market that brings about all those bad things.

    To your credit, I agree that having a system where not much credit is used in every day transaction is a huge benefit and US citizens should start to rethink their approach to holding cash instead producing even more debt.

    Yet, if they do, the US financial system will even faster deteriorate. This is why Paulson almost begs the citizens to take out credit :-)

  • MICHELLE

    I understand what you are saying as well…I live abroad for a few months every year. HOWEVER, your statement appears a bit overreaching. You want to get out of America as fast as you can, you hate it….and it all falls back onto technology. You know why I return to America, because until this past year, we have had the freest and most open society in the world. When we are sold an item that is inferior, we usually can return it to a store with a receipt and get another item or our money back. We don’t have to stand over the person preparing our meat to make sure they didn’t switch it with rancid meat when we go out to eat. In most of our cities we can walk down the street without being pushed off the curb or run into every five minutes on a crowded sidewalk. The majority of our shows are not ” dubbed. We don’t try to make five lane roads out of three lanes roads and push our way through disorganized traffic. When we sit down in a cinema, it’s unlikely that foul smells and sticky armrests will come with the price of a ticket. We are far from a perfect nation, HOWEVER, I would never run out of my country for the sake of an SMS card. I WOULD run out however if our liberties become more stifeled. Good luck at finding a better place. We were glad to have you discover our backward nation.

  • Tim

    You are cracked to think this place is free anymore. Have you read the headlines lately? Have you any idea what the new medical requirement being imposed by the goverment that exempts them selfs from? It no longer for the people by the people. it is in fact ” for the goverment by the goverment” I am sure you can find that same thing in all country’s. Emigrants from other country’s can get SSI in a couple months and never paid a thing into it. Become disabled and see how many year it takes a citizen that paid into it to get a bloody dime. Obviously a full scope is missing a few drastic details. The elderly are cut and the goverment keeps the same after office. Government office spending increases and so does the taxes and the cost to live in this country due to what? I is a circle that starts with the goverment and keep spinning back around to the goverment again. When will it stop? Still imposing more for there pocket at our cost presumed for our good. It is all BS. Not a working nation anymore. It is a kiss azz pile.

  • Egalitarian

    To my fellow readers,

    I am really ready to leave here too. The United States is a horrible place to live. I was born here and I have first hand experience. I have lived in the mid-west my entire life and have worked for government entities. I heve seen how the system works from the inside.

    The corporate faction runs amok here completely un-checked by the government because the corporate faction owns the government. What I mean by that is that any corporate interest can now give as much money to any political candidate as they want for electoral purposes. This means that if a company does not like the way a political figure is voting then they will discontinue funding. This means that corporate funding means more to the political figure than citizen votes. Our system is broken and our votes mean nothing. This is why the corporate faction can run amok and treat us consumers like dirt. The government is supposed to make the rules for us all including the corporations.

    I also dislike the 2 party system, republicans are greedy and only care about themselves and their pocket books. Democrats are wishy-washy and cant make up their minds long enough to get anything accomplished. Republicans have bad ideals but good synergy and dicipline, Democrats have good ideals but have bad synergy and are not dicipined.
    For instance if a Democrat bill comes up for vote the republicans rubber stamp to vote the bill down. If a republican bill comes up for vote some democrats will cross lines and vote for it. The democrats need to learn to rubberstamp.

    The whole system needs to be dismantled in order to fix this country. The only way that will happen is through some natural disaster, a great depression, a revolution, or through terrorism bringing the government down. I do not like any of these options and wish there was some other way. This is why I do not like the United States of America.

    Egalitarian……

  • Walter Stanger

    The problem is, growth can not exceed any further.

  • Alonso Brunsting

    There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery as long as you are wanting it for the right reasons. Plastic surgery is something that should be taken in with deep consideration. There are several questions to ask yourself. Do you really need it? Will it make you feel any better than how you feel now? Are you going to want additional procedures because the surgery was not “perfect?” You and only you are capable of answering these questions.

  • @Rascal

    Whatever bhagwad said is perfectly right. Human being should enjoy their freedom which is their rights to enjoy. I know some Indians got settle down in US for liitle more money but believe me they live like slave there. Its their habbit to live like slave as before independence. They dont want freedom and they dont want to enjoy their life. I dont find a single reason to leave my country and settle down in US. I can not imagine in my dream too.

  • Jim

    Its amazing how the usa will hire and bring Indian and other people over to this country and offer them jobs. But despite all that I know how to do I am unable to get hire in the usa much les any place else outside of the usa. The usa gives you lot the world. Yet for us who were born here we are merely slaves with no hope and no future. Locekd out of the world as a result of our citizenship. No other developed country on earth has such barriers to its citizens being able to find work abroad. I have missed countless jobs, not because I am unexperienced. But simply because I am american. they wont hire me for that reason alone. Thus I hate this country. And am seeking desperate measures to get out of this place so that I may be free.

  • andreaL

    i think this whole artical and the comments that follow with it are a bit misleading i find it odd how you can base what thing about one countries lifestyle and call it horrible and for the writer im sorry to inform you that in the eyes of an idian india is better but the eyes of an american america is better so to say that america is way less developed than india is a bit of an overkill statement considerd than many indians live in over populated areas “slums” working for american companies for dollors a day indias over population is one reason why america is way more developed another rerason why india is less developed than america is famine. As famine rages in many parts of India, reports from Gujarat and Rajasthan say that Dalit villagers are the last to get access to water. much of the burden of collecting water is placed on women who often walk for miles a day to fill a pot or two of water. whiches brings me to another point which is education in many parts of india you have to pay to go to school not everyone is able to pay for school espicaly farmers and when they do have enough money they boy in the family goes not the girl so many weomen arnt able to get “free equal” education and to be honest the list goes on and on it takes apritiation to see what you have in front of you so in my view as a proud american i believe america is better but thats just my opinon say what you will im a 2rd generation american my grandmas from domican republic and grandpas black and from france and yes people take things for granted but we all do and to me your naming one of americas minor problems i mean we could be a hell of a lot worse off

  • Vinay

    So, did you leave US?

  • America

    Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could.
    Your people have no right being in our country.
    Why you may ask?
    You where not born here, you never served a day in the military “meaning you’ve never fought, bled or died for this country”, you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry.
    Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain “biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor”, need I go on?
    Go home, and get out of mine.

  • Shiva Stevens Santosh

    America
    OCTOBER 9, 2011 AT 11:02 AM
    Personally, I would deport the entire Indian population from America today if I could.
    Your people have no right being in our country.
    Why you may ask?
    You where not born here, you never served a day in the military “meaning you’ve never fought, bled or died for this country”, you refuse to adopt our way of life and continuously complain about how much better yours is, you take up our jobs and have become the enemy to all Americans in the technical industry.
    — the below was unnecessary !
    Your country is a disease ridden cesspool with a population that is too high for your own country to sustain “biggest reason so many Indians are abroad looking for labor”, need I go on?
    Go home, and get out of mine.

    – I totally agree with most of what you said ! i think the outsiders should shut up and live the life of the local , else move …
    im sure bhagadh in spite of having these problems stayed for at least few months . and im obliged to bring up the “2G scam !!!” topic, remember the big circus clowns,Indian telecom policy makers that he so proudly speaks off.
    America is a great country, its probably given more to the world in terms of technology and innovation than any other country… they deserve more than rest of the worlds hatred.a BIG HUGG !!!

    God Bless America !
    God Bless India !
    God Bless Us All !!!

  • Cz

    I am an american born here. I traveled the world. Grew up in Saudi Arabia until i was 13. I have been around the world 5 times and i want out of America. I wish other countries were as open as our fascist nation. truth Is America is a police state and the US citizens are the enemy. Any one that is a critical thinker, believes in the US Constitution or the bill of rights is now deemed a terrorist. We do not have any rights it is an illusion. The fake US government does not represent the US population in any way nor does the federal government abide by the rule of law. 1953 the US government started to be infiltrated by the European royal blood, Rothschild, Rockefeller and the Builderburg group. the entire country adopted a false government under the face governemnt we see and believe we are represented by. The US is no longer a sovereign nation it is the north American Union and is directly set for a one world governemnt. The wars in the middle east, the false flag murder of 3000 Americans on 9-11, the all out war on the middle east, the media demonizing of all leaders that do not accept the IMf into their countries over international media as well as the murders of leaders of Egypt, Iraq, Libya. All of this is to push a global drive for a one world government. Event the current global recession is cause to bring all currencies down to 3 world levels so that all nations can be placed under one monetary system that will be relatively equalized across the globe. Kennedy was murdered because he refused to accept the original plan for 9-11 and had already started to warn the american people of the internal threat from the military industrial complex and the true black government that we the people do not see. the fake Us is the largest and most powerful terrorist network on earth.

  • Shrikant

    Bhagwad,

    I can understand your frustration as I went through the same hassle(of identity and credit establishment) a few years back. But after a couple of years, I have started appreciating some of the finer nuances of the structure here.

    After being spoilt by 0.01$ phones and upgrades, I can see that it is fairly difficult for me to bring back the notion of paying 300$+ for a good phone, even though it might be cost effective.40-50$ was also the cost of my mobile bills back in India(without a data plan).

    The telecom companies are mainly concerned about the 99.99% of their customer base, who already have social security number and credit history. And why not? If they can perfect that, then that’s where they get repeat business. And chances are that you would migrate to a service which is more perfect after the initial hiccups.

    The credit check, in one way, is a way by which the overall overhead costs of defaulting can be checked, and thereby the companies can reduce the cost to every customer. I do agree that it is a bit unfair for people who are new to the country. But then they also offer alternate options- such as with security deposit. I guess you would appreciate that instead of being asked to show your bank balance or salary slip. The other option that might make sense is if the company/school that you joined can have a tie-up with a provider that in a way mitigates the risk for the service providers.

    I am sure that if you are still in the US, you don’t mind

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