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	<title>Comments on: Why Software Piracy Isn&#8217;t Theft</title>
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		<title>By: IDTheftReview</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-293192</link>
		<dc:creator>IDTheftReview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very convincing argument on piracy not being theft but there sure is just a fine line separating it. Illegally downloaded music for instance, doesn’t automatically mean lost sales because the interest wouldn’t have been that much if it can’t be obtained for free. But still, if it was obtained without permission, wouldn’t it still constitute theft?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very convincing argument on piracy not being theft but there sure is just a fine line separating it. Illegally downloaded music for instance, doesn’t automatically mean lost sales because the interest wouldn’t have been that much if it can’t be obtained for free. But still, if it was obtained without permission, wouldn’t it still constitute theft?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-90612</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music distributors are thieves. They serve no purpose in today&#039;s world. Artists of the future will self publish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music distributors are thieves. They serve no purpose in today&#8217;s world. Artists of the future will self publish.</p>
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		<title>By: ip masking</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-76537</link>
		<dc:creator>ip masking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the free services spy on you and use your personal information for profit. Then there are the really bad ones that place bots and trojans on your computer. Pay a couple of bucks and don&#039;t get used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the free services spy on you and use your personal information for profit. Then there are the really bad ones that place bots and trojans on your computer. Pay a couple of bucks and don&#8217;t get used.</p>
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		<title>By: Making the point</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-40882</link>
		<dc:creator>Making the point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know trolling is an artform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know trolling is an artform?</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Savant</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-40759</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Savant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you like to work on a job and be paid only once every 3 months? You don&#039;t like? Well, that&#039;s how authors are being paid buddy.

Now how would you like to work on a job for 3 months and find out at the end that you&#039;re not getting paid for that 3 months? That would hurt isn&#039;t it?

That&#039;s what you are doing to authors, wether they are musicians, writers, or programmers when you pirate their works.

Oh and don&#039;t forget; you reap what you sow. What goes around, comes around buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you like to work on a job and be paid only once every 3 months? You don&#8217;t like? Well, that&#8217;s how authors are being paid buddy.</p>
<p>Now how would you like to work on a job for 3 months and find out at the end that you&#8217;re not getting paid for that 3 months? That would hurt isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what you are doing to authors, wether they are musicians, writers, or programmers when you pirate their works.</p>
<p>Oh and don&#8217;t forget; you reap what you sow. What goes around, comes around buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley15</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-40677</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GalinKilin your argument makes no sense.  You claim that you absolutely cannot afford an album at $20, but in the next sentence you say you went to a concert for $45.  Neither of those are necessities so it would seem you did have $20 for album if you wished to spend it.  

The main thrust of your argument is that if you cannot afford to buy it, it is not stealing if you just take it for free.  You could not base a society on that rule.  I cannot afford a Porsche, should I be allowed to break into a dealership and just take one?  If someone else is poorer than you and cannot afford an MP3 player, would you just shrug and say &quot;fair&#039;s fair&quot; if they took yours?  Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GalinKilin your argument makes no sense.  You claim that you absolutely cannot afford an album at $20, but in the next sentence you say you went to a concert for $45.  Neither of those are necessities so it would seem you did have $20 for album if you wished to spend it.  </p>
<p>The main thrust of your argument is that if you cannot afford to buy it, it is not stealing if you just take it for free.  You could not base a society on that rule.  I cannot afford a Porsche, should I be allowed to break into a dealership and just take one?  If someone else is poorer than you and cannot afford an MP3 player, would you just shrug and say &#8220;fair&#8217;s fair&#8221; if they took yours?  Of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: GalinKinlin</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-38131</link>
		<dc:creator>GalinKinlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piracy is not theft. I would have paid over $4000 for the music i have downloaded. I am 17. Not only that, but I have kept only $2200 worth, and am still removing some. By downloading $40 worth of Modest Mouse, i have done to one MM concert. $45. I would not have bought the albums nor gone to the concert had I not downloaded it.

You can say I&#039;m immoral all you want, but it doesn&#039;t matter. Because in the end, the band got more money for their intellectual property through my method. To think otherwise is fallacy. 

I could not have bought even ONE of the albums I own. But you know what? Why not ask Modest Mouse? Why not ask Wolf Parade? How about Cloud Cult? Oddly enough, all of these bands support downloading. Oddly enough, it&#039;s still considered illegal. But you know what? Lets use a band that isn&#039;t okay with downloading.

I have downloaded all of Metallica. Let us call that a $80 value. Let us say they would have gotten $10 from that (very generous). I&#039;ve spent $40 on shirts that i never would have, because of illegal downloading. Ah, but, I also have my $12 Metallica figurine. Oh, and a $6 poster. And $2 in ring tones. That&#039;s $60. I&#039;ve been listening to Metallica for four years. Damn. So basically, $60 every four years... if I live even two years more, they will have gotten 90 from me.

Shut your goddamn mouths a with this anti-piracy BS. It results in me spending far more money than I would have been able to on them anyway. if I spent that money on their albums, I&#039;d have -20. So let&#039;s say I just didn&#039;t buy two of their albums. Well, I&#039;d probably like Metallica less. And would probably buy even fewer albums. It&#039;s common damn sense. I&#039;m 17, you think I have 4k lying around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piracy is not theft. I would have paid over $4000 for the music i have downloaded. I am 17. Not only that, but I have kept only $2200 worth, and am still removing some. By downloading $40 worth of Modest Mouse, i have done to one MM concert. $45. I would not have bought the albums nor gone to the concert had I not downloaded it.</p>
<p>You can say I&#8217;m immoral all you want, but it doesn&#8217;t matter. Because in the end, the band got more money for their intellectual property through my method. To think otherwise is fallacy. </p>
<p>I could not have bought even ONE of the albums I own. But you know what? Why not ask Modest Mouse? Why not ask Wolf Parade? How about Cloud Cult? Oddly enough, all of these bands support downloading. Oddly enough, it&#8217;s still considered illegal. But you know what? Lets use a band that isn&#8217;t okay with downloading.</p>
<p>I have downloaded all of Metallica. Let us call that a $80 value. Let us say they would have gotten $10 from that (very generous). I&#8217;ve spent $40 on shirts that i never would have, because of illegal downloading. Ah, but, I also have my $12 Metallica figurine. Oh, and a $6 poster. And $2 in ring tones. That&#8217;s $60. I&#8217;ve been listening to Metallica for four years. Damn. So basically, $60 every four years&#8230; if I live even two years more, they will have gotten 90 from me.</p>
<p>Shut your goddamn mouths a with this anti-piracy BS. It results in me spending far more money than I would have been able to on them anyway. if I spent that money on their albums, I&#8217;d have -20. So let&#8217;s say I just didn&#8217;t buy two of their albums. Well, I&#8217;d probably like Metallica less. And would probably buy even fewer albums. It&#8217;s common damn sense. I&#8217;m 17, you think I have 4k lying around?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-38036</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To take the example of the housing designs, ones&#039; loss is the amount of time spent formulating the designs. Lost time is lost utility. The neighbor does not lose this utility and profits from your lost utility in the designs he takes.

With regards to software and music companies, presuming piracy causes a decline in their sales, they are forced to compensate by raising their prices. Therefore, people who chose to buy these goods honestly must pay higher prices. A loss is therefore incurred by these honest consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To take the example of the housing designs, ones&#8217; loss is the amount of time spent formulating the designs. Lost time is lost utility. The neighbor does not lose this utility and profits from your lost utility in the designs he takes.</p>
<p>With regards to software and music companies, presuming piracy causes a decline in their sales, they are forced to compensate by raising their prices. Therefore, people who chose to buy these goods honestly must pay higher prices. A loss is therefore incurred by these honest consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Norberg</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-37448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Norberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jesse Forgione, for understanding the despicable system that&#039;s really at the bottom of the furor over pirating.

Thank you, Jal Park, for giving me a much simpler way of arguing it for those who don&#039;t have time to get into details right away.

Even if every song cost only $0.10 to &quot;own&quot; through the travesty of IP law, it would cost ~$2,000 to fill an 80GB iPod, to say nothing of one&#039;s own hard drive.

Anyone who is familiar with IP is invited to read a critique of it by one much more familiar with it than I:
http://c4ss.org/content/521</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jesse Forgione, for understanding the despicable system that&#8217;s really at the bottom of the furor over pirating.</p>
<p>Thank you, Jal Park, for giving me a much simpler way of arguing it for those who don&#8217;t have time to get into details right away.</p>
<p>Even if every song cost only $0.10 to &#8220;own&#8221; through the travesty of IP law, it would cost ~$2,000 to fill an 80GB iPod, to say nothing of one&#8217;s own hard drive.</p>
<p>Anyone who is familiar with IP is invited to read a critique of it by one much more familiar with it than I:<br />
<a href="http://c4ss.org/content/521" rel="nofollow">http://c4ss.org/content/521</a></p>
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		<title>By: vesey</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/10/24/why-software-piracy-isnt-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-35051</link>
		<dc:creator>vesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to write an article this long to justify pirating then it&#039;s theft plain and simple..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to write an article this long to justify pirating then it&#8217;s theft plain and simple&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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