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		<title>By: Scot Petralia</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/07/16/are-foreign-nurses-in-us-healthcares-future/comment-page-1/#comment-186957</link>
		<dc:creator>Scot Petralia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Grutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Grutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, I am no longer active in the industry, there were a number of factors that made it impossible to bring in more than 45% of the nurses that we filed the immigration work for.  If you have already completed your requirements, I will be happy to refer you to a colleague of mine who is still in that business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, I am no longer active in the industry, there were a number of factors that made it impossible to bring in more than 45% of the nurses that we filed the immigration work for.  If you have already completed your requirements, I will be happy to refer you to a colleague of mine who is still in that business.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr. Brian Grutman, are you still active on hiring foreign professionals? Can I have your contact details please? You can contact me in my email add: chris_topher_santos@yahoo.com.
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr. Brian Grutman, are you still active on hiring foreign professionals? Can I have your contact details please? You can contact me in my email add: <a href="mailto:chris_topher_santos@yahoo.com">chris_topher_santos@yahoo.com</a>.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Tabones</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/07/16/are-foreign-nurses-in-us-healthcares-future/comment-page-1/#comment-25393</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Tabones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when I hear suggestions that the &quot;solution&quot; to the nursing shortage is to give free training.  Okay, I agree only if these newly graduated nurses are willing to work for &quot;free&quot; in exchange for the &quot;free&quot; tuition.  So who many will take that offer? I often hate the way that word is used. The truth is, the shortage extends to slots for those wanting to avail of training at lower cost compared to what is offered in private institutions.  There is also not enough instructors because pay is low compared to working in the field.  Another point to consider, there are simply too many people  not qualified to get into nursing school out of the many who want to do so.
In many cases, it would be better to recruit outside the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it when I hear suggestions that the &#8220;solution&#8221; to the nursing shortage is to give free training.  Okay, I agree only if these newly graduated nurses are willing to work for &#8220;free&#8221; in exchange for the &#8220;free&#8221; tuition.  So who many will take that offer? I often hate the way that word is used. The truth is, the shortage extends to slots for those wanting to avail of training at lower cost compared to what is offered in private institutions.  There is also not enough instructors because pay is low compared to working in the field.  Another point to consider, there are simply too many people  not qualified to get into nursing school out of the many who want to do so.<br />
In many cases, it would be better to recruit outside the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Grutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Grutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark,

That is a pretty libelous statement.  I&#039;m a tech recruiter, and I&#039;ve placed hundreds of people in my career, it&#039;s all been in good faith, and I would have no problem getting character references from some of the biggest and most reputable names in my industry.  Unfortunately, when you&#039;re active in business and you involve yourself in a lot of projects, not everyone can be made happy, and there are losers and complainers in the world who always seem to be the ones who bad mouth you on the internet.  This is because the internet is anonymous and cowards don&#039;t have to reveal themselves to be liable for their accusations.  

There is no Ariana Filipina, and I suspect there is no Mark Romero.  Crawl back into your hole.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark,</p>
<p>That is a pretty libelous statement.  I&#8217;m a tech recruiter, and I&#8217;ve placed hundreds of people in my career, it&#8217;s all been in good faith, and I would have no problem getting character references from some of the biggest and most reputable names in my industry.  Unfortunately, when you&#8217;re active in business and you involve yourself in a lot of projects, not everyone can be made happy, and there are losers and complainers in the world who always seem to be the ones who bad mouth you on the internet.  This is because the internet is anonymous and cowards don&#8217;t have to reveal themselves to be liable for their accusations.  </p>
<p>There is no Ariana Filipina, and I suspect there is no Mark Romero.  Crawl back into your hole.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Romero</title>
		<link>http://www.citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/07/16/are-foreign-nurses-in-us-healthcares-future/comment-page-1/#comment-23659</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Romero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ariana Filipina...I know Grutman.  He ripped my friend off in a most brazen manner.  He does absolutely nothing in good faith and always intends to rip off his victims right from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ariana Filipina&#8230;I know Grutman.  He ripped my friend off in a most brazen manner.  He does absolutely nothing in good faith and always intends to rip off his victims right from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: Getting Foreign Nurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Getting Foreign Nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who are interested in nursing but cannot afford the fees should be given free training.  That solves the problem to some extent.  If you still have shortage for them, nurses from abroad can be given a chance, who do not work just for money, but for satisfaction as well.

-Alette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who are interested in nursing but cannot afford the fees should be given free training.  That solves the problem to some extent.  If you still have shortage for them, nurses from abroad can be given a chance, who do not work just for money, but for satisfaction as well.</p>
<p>-Alette</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Tabones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel Tabones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is not particularly helpful, I’m sorry to say. It’s essentially just a heavily biased complaint about how bringing in foreign nurses threatens to drive down wages-which doesn’t make any sense because the demand for nurses is such that there is a projected shortage of 800,000 by 2020. The increasing numbers of foreign nurses are just a drop in the bucket.  While citing “low wages” as a reason why nurses are leaving the profession, what exactly constitutes “low wages” anyway? That’s very subjective. Jennifer acknowledges that she’s “not guilty” about the money she makes so I must assume that her wages are anything but “low.”

While the so-called “cure” she proposes appears to be self-serving and more for the benefit of the nursing profession (much higher salaries, better work schedules, etc.) rather than for the health care system, as a whole-if that were to lead to a massive influx of new domestically trained nurses into the profession-enough to meet demand, that would indeed bring down wages, but that’s not likely to happen.  If my observations are correct, there are just not enough affordable nursing schools in the country ready to accept any large number of eager students. In New York City for instance, there are only a few publicly funded institutions that offer RN programs and they are highly competitive. So it shouldn’t be a surprise that hospitals recruit foreign nurses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is not particularly helpful, I’m sorry to say. It’s essentially just a heavily biased complaint about how bringing in foreign nurses threatens to drive down wages-which doesn’t make any sense because the demand for nurses is such that there is a projected shortage of 800,000 by 2020. The increasing numbers of foreign nurses are just a drop in the bucket.  While citing “low wages” as a reason why nurses are leaving the profession, what exactly constitutes “low wages” anyway? That’s very subjective. Jennifer acknowledges that she’s “not guilty” about the money she makes so I must assume that her wages are anything but “low.”</p>
<p>While the so-called “cure” she proposes appears to be self-serving and more for the benefit of the nursing profession (much higher salaries, better work schedules, etc.) rather than for the health care system, as a whole-if that were to lead to a massive influx of new domestically trained nurses into the profession-enough to meet demand, that would indeed bring down wages, but that’s not likely to happen.  If my observations are correct, there are just not enough affordable nursing schools in the country ready to accept any large number of eager students. In New York City for instance, there are only a few publicly funded institutions that offer RN programs and they are highly competitive. So it shouldn’t be a surprise that hospitals recruit foreign nurses.</p>
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		<title>By: arianna filpina</title>
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		<dc:creator>arianna filpina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer,
     no need to worry about brian grutman, he did recruit foreign nurses , charged hospitals then did not bring them over</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer,<br />
     no need to worry about brian grutman, he did recruit foreign nurses , charged hospitals then did not bring them over</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Grutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Grutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, how would you feel if you were to learn that in order to hire foreign registered nurses that medical facilities were required to pay them at the very minimum the median range for that area?  The problem with your argument is the assumption that foreign nurses leave the profession as well.  This is largely untrue.  The goal of the overwhelming majority of the nurses I&#039;ve worked with has been to make a better life for themselves and their families, and to send money home.  They train to become nurses with the intention of going overseas, whether it be to the US, the UK, Australia, or one of numerous Middle East countries.  The foreign currency they earn is a huge part of the Philippino banking system and helps stabilize their institutions.

The fact is that hospitals are dangerously understaffed, and that this trend shows no sign of slowing.  The politics are unimportant to a critically ill person who needs nurses who have time to treat him.  They just need someone qualified to be there to do their job.  As it stands, most hospitals and nursing homes cannot provide the level of care that people expect because of a lack of staff.

As the grandson of immigrants, my ancestors came to this country to fill a need for workers.  This is the story of most immigrants in the United States, because the only non-immigrants are American Indians.  

Why can&#039;t we get the healthcare we need?  Our government has visas available for technologists, for fashion models, even for apple pickers.  Why can&#039;t they make visas available for a controlled amount of nurses who can provide relief to facilities that are suffering?  

Brian Grutman, formerly of Pilot Enterprises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, how would you feel if you were to learn that in order to hire foreign registered nurses that medical facilities were required to pay them at the very minimum the median range for that area?  The problem with your argument is the assumption that foreign nurses leave the profession as well.  This is largely untrue.  The goal of the overwhelming majority of the nurses I&#8217;ve worked with has been to make a better life for themselves and their families, and to send money home.  They train to become nurses with the intention of going overseas, whether it be to the US, the UK, Australia, or one of numerous Middle East countries.  The foreign currency they earn is a huge part of the Philippino banking system and helps stabilize their institutions.</p>
<p>The fact is that hospitals are dangerously understaffed, and that this trend shows no sign of slowing.  The politics are unimportant to a critically ill person who needs nurses who have time to treat him.  They just need someone qualified to be there to do their job.  As it stands, most hospitals and nursing homes cannot provide the level of care that people expect because of a lack of staff.</p>
<p>As the grandson of immigrants, my ancestors came to this country to fill a need for workers.  This is the story of most immigrants in the United States, because the only non-immigrants are American Indians.  </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we get the healthcare we need?  Our government has visas available for technologists, for fashion models, even for apple pickers.  Why can&#8217;t they make visas available for a controlled amount of nurses who can provide relief to facilities that are suffering?  </p>
<p>Brian Grutman, formerly of Pilot Enterprises.</p>
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